The GRANITE BANNER 
Table of Contents:
Season Summary
Back Road Notes
Sun Shines on First Annual Meeting
Two Year Inspection Law for Antique Cars
Summer Sojourn with John Moir
Stowe
Tilton Antique Car Show
AACA Museum
Section 266 of NHRSA on Antique Car Registration
Meeting Minutes from First Annual Meeting (May 2003)
Mechanical question
Granite Region - 2003 - 2004 Officers
President Jack Armstrong 603-279-0996 jcarbarn
@ aol.com
Vice President Jonathan James 603-279-8063
Secy/Treas Jack Griffiths 603-472-2990 jackgriffiths
@ hotmail.com
Exec. Bd. Member at Large Gary Rondeau 603-644-7238 syncroring
@ attbi.com
Newsletter Warren Clark 781-894-4156 GraniteNewsletter
@ Sagecliff.com
Web Page Andy Daubenspeck 603-650-7727 andy.daubenspeck@dartmouth.edu
Weve had a great summer with a number of great club events. The summer started with the first Granite Region Annual Meeting taking place on Saturday, May 31. We all got together at Jack and Pat Armstrongs house (and Car Barn) in Meredith for an afternoon of car loving and camaraderie. Read about it in Judy Wildmans report. Several of us took photos and some of these have been posted on our Web Site.
In June, many of us headed to the Tilton School Car Show. Jack Griffiths has contributed an article on this really fun event.
In July, the club sponsored a trip to Chocorua and Tamworth topped off with a visit to John Moirs magnificent collection.
In August, some of our members headed to Stowe for a somewhat steamy visit to that great show. Read all about it on Page 5.
It was a great summer and we are looking forward to an even better autumn.
Whats Happening This Quarter
Even though the heat of the summer is behind us, there are lots more events coming up this fall and into next year. Mark your calendars now for these exciting events.
September 27, 2003
Intended for cars built between 1925 - 1948
Contact Bart Carlson 603-544-3440 bartcarlson @ att.net
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AACA Eastern Division National Fall Meet
OCTOBER 8-11
Hershey, Pennsylvania
Hosted by the Hershey Region
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7th Annual Shaker Classic Car Show
Co-sponsored by Profile Automobile League, Inc.
Saturday, October 18, 2003
10:00 AM to 3:00 PM (Check-in begins and 9:00 AM)
at Canterbury Shaker Village
Free Admission for driver and one Passenger to Canterbury Shaker Village
For additional info, call Sky and Dot Borst (603-230-9566) svbnh @ aol.co

Back
Road Notes
A Message From The President
Summer has flown by as usual, but there are still plenty of ideal car touring and show days left. So keep driving them!
Saw several of you at Jonathon Jamess Tilton School Show. Thats a nice day! If you didnt make it this year be sure to plan on next year.
Julys visit to John Moirs collection with picnic on his grounds was super. Thanks go out to John and Heather for hosting the day. Several people went on to Madison Boulder which is some "stone".
Looking ahead theres our Joint Foilage Tour in late Sept. with the Lincoln Owners Club by Bart and Lucy Carlson. Also Canterbury in Oct. with Sky and Dot Borst. This is always a good time.
Im still wanting to hear activity ideas from members. Lets consider 5 areas of the state with one or more member in each area suggesting an activity ( a Sue Griffiths idea). Areas could be: Concord/Manchester, Seacoast(Exeter/ Portsmouth), Keene/Sunapee,Nashua/Salem and Lakes Region. Ive been told by Ted Valpey(Dover) and Court Cross (Georges Mills) that they have sites where activities could be held. Lets look into these possibilities.
Jack Griffiths and I will attend a meeting in Sept. with members of the Mt. Washington Auto Road and the Vintage Sports Car Club of America (VSCCA). The Auto Road organization is planning a 100th anniversary Hill Climb and Auto Show. Will keep you posted on this event and the role we might play in it. Its scheduled for July 9,10, & 11, 2004. Some administration changes are taking place. Carol Hoagland is phasing out as News Coordinator. Warren Clark, Andy Daubenspeck and Jack Griffiths will take over this task which includes the News Letter. Carol took on this job, in spite of her busy schedule, to get us "started". Shes done a great job and deserves our gratitude. THANKS CAROL!!

Ive been seeing and hearing of lots of car buying, selling and trading in our Region. Looking forward to seeing everyones "current holdings"
I had occasion to visit Gerry and Joanne Griffin recently. Saw some of the license plate collection. Dont know how anyone could have a larger one.
Hope everyone has a safe and happy fall.
Jack Armstrong, Pres.
Granite Region, AACA
By Judy Wildman

It may seem strange to give a weather report in conjunction with the Granite Chapter of AACAs First Annual Meeting. However, those of us who have been around New England in 2003 know that the weather has been of prime importance. Under the rules of nature mothers generally care for their young. Mother Nature, though, broke her rules in caring for the infant Granite Chapter of AACA. First, she sent a winter storm in early April forcing the cancellation of the Spring Dust-Off, and then in early May she reclaimed the _Old Man of the Mountains_ part of our logo reducing him to a pile of rubble at the base of Cannon Mountain. So it was worthy of celebration when she redeemed herself for the Annual meeting on May 31st.
The prediction for the day was iffy at best (typical for spring this year), but the weather turned out to be very pleasant, blue skied and mild temperatured. Because of the forecast a number of members came in modern vehicles, but other brought out their antique cars, representing seven decades. Jack Armstrongs 1911 Stoddard-Dayton 20 represented the first decade, Mike Jones 1923 Oldsmobile Sport Touring & Ken Sommers 1929 Hupmobile marked the twenties, the 1936 Ford V8s of Dick Adams and Ernie Snyder represented the thirties, Jud Holcombes 1941 Buick Model 44 and Jim Lowreys 1941 Ford marked the forties, Dwight Smith drove his 1950 Cadillac 61 Coupe representing that decade, the sixties was present in Willy Carlsons 1961 Willys-Utility Wagon and Jack Griffiths 1969 Ford Galaxie XL, and the seventies group had Sky Borsts 1972 Mercedes.


Arrivals began around 11:00 AM, and by noon around 50 members had arrived. Jack Armstrong, the host and chapter president, rang the school bell signaling members to the barn for the First Annual Meeting of the Granite Chapter. Jack called the meeting to order and began by introducing a special guest Mike Jones an AACA National Director. Next on the agenda was the vote for the slate of officers: President-Jack Armstrong, Vice President-Jonathan James, Secretary/Treasurer-Jack Griffiths, Exec. Board Member at Large-Gary Rondeau and Newsletter-Carol Hoagland. A motion to accept the slate was made, seconded, and passed unanimously. Jack Griffiths then gave the treasurers report, the Granite Chapter is solvent, and commented on membership, approximately eighty are listed. The by-laws which had been present and accepted at the AACA Annual Meeting were made available to members. Kudos were then extended to Carol Hoagland for the superb newsletters and to Andy Daubenspeck and Warren Clark for the establishing of the chapter web site. If you havent visited the site as yet (www.aaca.org/granite), you should do so. The praise is well-deserved. Discussion topics for after lunch were outlined, and the formal meeting was adjourned.
After the spring weve had (or not had), it was a pleasure to go outside and have a picnic style lunch under a blue sky. A light breeze even kept most of the pesky critters (may flies and mosquitoes) away. The group spread out around the Armstrongs spacious yard and enjoyed sandwiches, cookies, cold drinks, and conversation.

The school bell tolled again and everyone meandered back to the barn for the discussion topics. On the national level it was noted that the new library/museum was magnificent and that the Mustang raffle tickets were available. The _how often_ and location of future meetings was then discussed. The consensus was to have no more than four meetings a year and when possible that they be tied into an event that members would be likely to attend, e.g., the Kiwanis Auto Show in Concord. Tours, shows and flea markets were the next discussion topics. Tours seemed to a favorite of the group. Mike Jones mentioned that three-day tours were popular and afforded the chapter a possible revenue source. Jack next mentioned youth programs where members get together with youngsters to impart a love of the hobby. The last discussion item concerned a problem all organizations have _the need for help_. The message is if you can assist with membership (contacting others who share our love of the hobby), activities (planning/hosting an event), or the newsletter (contributing articles) do so. Any group is only as good as its active members.

The meeting ended with two raffle drawings. First, a 50-50 raffle gave two lucky members $50.00 and $25.00 respectively as well as adding $75.00 to the treasury. This was followed by a large variety of prizes from a restaurant certificate to car cleaning products to Marvel Mystery Oil. Thanks are due to Jack and Pat Armstrong for their hard work and hospitality and to Jack and Sue Griffiths for all they contributed.
With Great company, a Relaxed atmosphere, Antique cars, Noteworthy food, Ideal weather, a Terrific locale, and Elegant dash plaques, the First Annual Meeting of the GRANITE Chapter of AACA was a definite success.
For anyone interested on the nitty-gritty details, we are posting the minutes from the meeting on our web site. Check it out at
http://www.aaca.org/Granite
Over the summer, Jack Griffiths did some research into the New Hampshire motor inspection law. He found the following:
"Vehicles registered as antique motor vehicles and antique motorcycles and which are 40 years old and over shall be inspected biennially. Antique motor vehicles shall be inspected in the month of April. Motorcycles shall be inspected by July 1.
You are probably wondering what this means in practical terms. No you wont find an inspection station that will give you a sticker that expires in two years. Instead, Jack tells us that we should just get a normal inspection sticker and then skip the next year. According to his research, police in New Hampshire have been trained relative to the special inspection law for antique motor vehicles. Keep a copy of the law in the car just in case you run into the one officer in New Hampshire who does not know about this. You will find a clean copy at the back of this issue of the Granite Banner with the applicable section highlighted.
By Judy Wildman

On July 19th, a beautiful New Hampshire summer day, the Granite Chapter of AACA visited Chocorua and Tamworth. At Chocorua, the group was hosted by John Moir where his magnificent collection of car was available for viewing. This was followed by a picnic on the lawn and trip to Tamworth Rock, a huge glacial boulder deposited in Tamworth by the Ice Age.
John Moirs collection is truly unique. It spans the 20th Century beginning with the 1900 DeDion Bouton Vis-a-vis Model D and ending with the 1999 Xanthos Model 23B.
For those who want to motor on three wheels, there are numerous choices like the AC Sociable, the Morgan Aero Model or the Zoe Zipper. If the Brass Era is your favorite, you might opt for the Brewster Roadster, the E-M-F Roadster or the Stanley Steamer Model E-2. Perhaps you prefer a sports car like the Aceca Bristol, the MGTC or the Triumph TR-3A or a race car like the GN Cyclecar. If your choice is snow travel, theres a Model T Snowmobile or a Model A Snowbird. For those who prefer to leave the driving to someone else, there are the elegant Voison Model CSL and Panhard Levassor Model U2 (chauffeurs not included) as well as the Studebaker Big-6 from Eagle Mountain House and the Yellow Cab Model A-2 from Big City.

Johns collection began in 1946 when after he returned from the Air Force his father bought him a 1930 Cadillac Roadster. John next added the 1929 AC Tourer. As more cars came along Mrs. Moir (Heather) suggested that John might as well have one for each letter of the alphabet. The collecting continued and the alphabet was finalized by the recent addition of a 1923 Yellow Cab. The variety and the alphabet autos make Johns collection truly unique.
The chapter thanks you, John, for sharing the collection with us.
A is for AC there are quite a few.
B is for Bentley, Brasier, Brewster, too.
C is for Covert, Carden and Cadillac
D is for DeDion in pale cream and black.
E is for E-M-F a roadster quite sporty.
F is Ford Models T, A and Woodie.
G is GWK and GN a Grand Prix.
H is for HRG #422 you see.
I is for an International Charette.
J is for a sport racer called a Jowett.
K is for Knox as well as a Kelsey.
L is for Lancias that are quite fancy.
M is for Mazda, Morgan, and MGTC
N is for a black Nash Healey.
O is for Orient from 1904.
P. is for Packard, Peugeot and Panhard Levassor
Q is for Queen in a dark regal blue.
R is for Rolls-Royce Ramseier bodied for you.
S is for Studebakers, Spacke and Stanley.
T is for Triumph a sports car quite manly.
U is for UNIC a green Phaeton.
V is For VW and a gorgeous Voisin.
W is for Wolseleys a coupe and a hornet.
X is for Xanthos. There_s two letters yet.
Y is for Yellow Cab complete with a driver.
Z is for Zoe Zipper and also le Zebre.
The alphabets finished
from A down to Z.
Johns collections magnificent as Im sure you can see.

But Well Worth The Trip
By Jack Griffiths
The unrelenting rain during the first two weeks of August scared some of the crowd away from Stowe this year, but not Granite Region members Jim Lowrey and Jack Griffiths. Stowe was just the right distance for a day trip and they, along with Jims son also Jim made the trip on Saturday, August 9. It was hot, it was humid and the rains made the field passable, but sloppy. In one tent, the temperature exceeded 100 degrees. But, as usual, there were many of the most beautiful antique cars you will find anywhere.
Rows and rows of cars from the brass era to muscle beasts. Just walking up and down the lines of cars is a trip down memory lane. And the vendors. Parts, memorabilia, signs, models, chrome services, its all at Stowe. The car corral was in full bloom and the writer personally witnessed heavy duty negotiations on at least three vehicles, which was a real kick. Despite economic uncertainties, prices appeared to be holding their own.
This annual event usually held the second weekend in August is one of the largest (if not the largest) in the area. If you have not been to Stowe, make plans to attend next year.
Activities get underway on Thursday with early looks at vendors, pick up steam on Friday with more vendors and the car corral and really crank up during the weekend. On Saturday, after the period costume exhibition and judging, there is a parade of antique cars with hundreds of cars traveling a circular route along Stowes back roads and down the Mountain Road back to the main field. Spectators set up lawn chairs along the route, break out the cold drinks, pop up the sun umbrellas and are treated to a special showing of rolling iron not often seen in person.
Heading downtown in the evenings provides the opportunity to attend the Disc Jockey show, grab an ice cream and see great antiques pass by on the main drag. Cars that drove in the parade are eligible for judging on Sunday morning. If you are interested in showing a car, you can get some great tips by watching the judges rate each entered car.
A great weekend. Like Hershey in Pennsylvania, Stowe in Vermont is an excellent take and should be on your annual calendar. This annual event usually held the second weekend in August is one of the largest (if not the largest) in the area. Mark your calendars now so you dont miss it next year.

By Jack Griffiths
June 21, 2003 was a gorgeous day. After the cold winter and damp spring, the weather broke with clear skies and 80 degree temperatures. The setting was the neatly manicured lawns and grounds of the Tilton School located appropriately on School Street just off the town square in Tilton, NH.
The car exhibition is in conjunction with the schools annual alumni weekend in mid-June. Jonathan James, Vice President of Granite Region, is not only the host and organizer of the show, but as Buildings and Grounds Manager, is responsible for the superb condition of the school property. The look and feel of the school is real New England.
The festivities began just after 9:00 a.m. as the cars began to arrive, checked in for registration, and parked on the parade field near the center of the school. Some 65 automobiles of all types and eras were present. One of particular interest was an early 60s Rambler American station wagon with fold-down front seats made up like a camper. Perhaps the first SUV!
A live chorus entertained the attendees (car buffs, alumni, and visitors) throughout the show. Late in the morning, those driving antique cars were invited inside for an excellent buffet lunch including a dynamite self-serve strawberry shortcake dessert. The music played, the light breeze kept the crowd cool and after lunch, some low-key awards were made, including longest trip to the show and peoples choice antique car.
This event is a must for Granite Region membership. The date for next year has already been set for June 26, 2004. Well remind you again in the newsletter, but mark it down now and lets have a great turnout next year for Jonathan and the Granite Region.

Another Reason to Visit Hershey
"Dedicated to the preservation and display of all forms of historical motor vehicles and related memorabilia, the AACA Museum exists to educate and provide enjoyment for the hobbyist and the public"
Are you planning to visit the AACA National Fall Meet in Hershey, Pennsylvania this October? If so, why not also plan a visit to the AACA Museum. The grand opening of the museum was on June 28 and June 29 this Year. The museum presents a sequential history of the motoring age through the use of its collection of 80+ automobiles and hundreds of artifacts.
The AACA Museum also encourages group tours and the sponsoring of events centering on the museum.
The AACA Museum is still a work in progress and will be for years to come. You can be part of it. The museum is looking for donations of cash, vehicles and automotive memorabilia.
Learn more about the AACA Museum. Visit their web site at http://www.aacamuseum.org
CHAPTER
266
EQUIPMENT OF VEHICLES
Inspections
Section 266:1
266:1 Inspection Authorized.
I. The director may require the inspection of any vehicle,
except an OHRV, snow traveling vehicle, moped, or any other vehicle exempted
under this chapter, to determine whether it is fit to be driven. Such inspection
shall be made at such times and in such manner as the director may specify,
subject to the requirements set forth in this section.
II. Any vehicle registered under this title, except an OHRV,
snow traveling vehicle, moped, or other exempt vehicle, shall be inspected once
a year, during the month in which the birth date of the owner is observed, if
the owner is a natural person. An inspection sticker shall be valid for the
same duration as the vehicle's registration, which shall not exceed 16 months.
If the month in which the anniversary of the owner's birth occurs will be one
of the next 4 months, an inspection sticker may be issued, with an expiration
date of the birth month in the following year, of the first person named on
the title application. Nothing in this paragraph shall require any person who
has registered and had inspected a vehicle with temporary plates to have the
vehicle reinspected upon receipt of permanent motor vehicle plates.
II-a. Notwithstanding RSA 266:1, II, if the month in which
the anniversary of the owner's birth occurs will be one of the next 4 months,
and the vehicle owner provides written verification of absence from New Hampshire
during the entire anniversary month, an inspection sticker may be issued, with
an expiration date of the birth month in the following year, of the first person
named on the title application.
III. If the owner of the vehicle is a company or corporation
or other than a natural person, the annual inspection shall be made during the
month designated by the director as the registration month for such legal entity,
and motorcycles shall be inspected once a year. Vehicles registered as
antique motor vehicles and antique motorcycles and which are 40 years old and
over shall be inspected biennially. Antique motor vehicles shall be
inspected in the month of April. Motorcycles shall be inspected by July 1.
IV. Notwithstanding paragraphs II and III, newly registered
vehicles, other than OHRV's, snow traveling vehicles and mopeds, and vehicles,
other than OHRV's, snow traveling vehicles and mopeds, the ownership of which
has been transferred, shall be inspected not later than 10 days after the registration
or transfer of ownership of said vehicle. However, if a vehicle is purchased
at retail from a licensed dealer, as defined in RSA 259:18, II, the vehicle
shall be inspected not later than 30 days after the date of transfer. A vehicle
for which a dealer has issued a 20-day plate pursuant to RSA 261:109 shall be
presumed to be capable of meeting the vehicle inspection requirements.
V. The director may authorize properly qualified persons
to make inspections without expense to the state at stations designated by him,
and may at any time revoke such authorization or designation; provided, however,
that inspections conducted at such stations at the request and under the direction
of a police officer or a highway enforcement officer shall be paid for as follows:
(a) In the event violations of this section
are uncovered, by the owner of the vehicle.
(b) In the event no such violations are
uncovered, by the agency represented by the police officer or highway enforcement
officer.
The annual fee to be paid by the inspection station upon authorization to make
inspections shall be $25 and shall not be refundable.
VI. Each inspection station shall conspicuously post on its
premises a notice, in a form and size approved by the director, indicating that
the station is an authorized inspection station.
VII. Each inspection station shall conspicuously post on
the outside of the building a sign showing the inspection fee charged.
VIII. A new vehicle which has been delivered in this state
with a certificate of origin in the form prescribed by the director is exempt
from the inspection requirements contained in this section until it is sold
at retail. Upon retail sale of such a vehicle, the owner shall be required to
have the vehicle inspected pursuant to paragraph IV and as provided in this
section and the rules adopted under this chapter.
IX. Notwithstanding any other provisions of this section
to the contrary, all trucks exceeding 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight and
all school buses, including buses owned or used by a religious organization
or a nonprofit organization used exclusively as buses for the transportation
of its members in connection with functions of the organization, shall be inspected
semi-annually. The month for the first inspection shall be the month in which
the birth date of the owner is observed, if the owner is a natural person; if
the owner is other than a natural person, the first inspection shall be conducted
during the month designated by the director as the registration month for such
legal entity. In either case, the second inspection shall be 6 months later.
X. The director may authorize properly qualified persons
to inspect any motor vehicle, except an OHRV, snow traveling vehicle, moped,
or any other vehicle exempted under this chapter, which has been involved in
a fatal accident or an accident involving serious bodily injury as defined in
RSA 625:11, VI, to determine whether the vehicle was in compliance with state
inspection requirements.
XI. (a) The department may impose an administrative fine
upon any inspection station for any violation of an inspection law or rule adopted
under the provisions of this chapter. The authority to impose such a fine shall
be in addition to any other remedy or penalty that may be imposed, but in no
event shall the department impose both a fine and a suspension of inspection
privileges in the same proceeding. The maximum amounts of the fines which may
be assessed shall be as follows:
(1) For the first violation,
$250.
(2) For the second violation,
$500.
(3) For the third violation,
$750.
(4) For the fourth violation,
$1,000.
(5) For 5 or more violations,
$2,000.
(b) No fine shall take effect unless approved
by the commissioner. The commissioner shall have the authority to modify the
amount of the fine assessed.
Source. 1931, 80:1. 1939, 199:1. RL 116:11. 1951, 20:1. RSA 260:14. 1965, 240:6. 1969, 84:1; 291:1; 488:2. 1975, 121:1. 1976, 4:9, 10. 1978, 38:5. 1981, 146:1; 538:8. 1986, 218:1. 1988, 45:1; 288:9, 13. 1989, 305:16. 1990, 79:8. 1992, 282:8, 9. 1995, 3:2, eff. May 15, 1995; 41:2, eff. Jan. 1, 1996. 2001, 115:1, eff. Jan. 1, 2002.
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/XXI/266/266-1.htm
Granite Region - AACA
Annual Meeting - May 31, 2003
Meredith, New Hampshire
1. President Jack Armstrong called the meeting to order at 12:08 p.m.
2. Mike Jones from national AACA was present as an honored guest.
3. The first order of business was the election of officers. The following slate was proposed for the term ending May, 2004:
President: Jack Armstrong
Vice President: Jonathan James
Secretary/Treasurer: Jack Griffiths
Newsletter editor: Carol Hoagland
Member at Large: Gary Rondeau
By acclamation and unanimous vote, the above slate was voted and approved.
4. Treasurer Jack Griffiths presented the Treasurer's report (attached as a part of these minutes). The current treasury balance as of May 31, 2003 was $1093.86.
5. By motion made and seconded, the first annual meeting of the Granite Region of AACA was adjourned at 12:36 p.m.
6. President Armstrong announced that lunch was being served, after which a general meeting of members would be held to exchange comments, ideas and suggestions.
7. Following lunch,
President Armstrong convened the informal discussion meeting. Among the topics
discussed were the following:
a) A suggestion was made to have more regular meetings (rather than one annual meeting) and if possible to tie them into antique car events. After some discussion, quarterly meetings appeared to be most popular, one of which should be held in the "off season and in-doors" to bridge the winter doldrums.
b) Another suggestion was to have some meetings and events on Sundays to allow those who operate businesses and work on Saturdays to attend.
c) Regarding tours, several ideas involved having more frequent, but shorter tours including overnight, two-day and three-day tours.
d) In order to spread the administrative load, Warren Clark volunteered to assist with secretarial and newsletter duties. Judy Wildman offered to help write articles for the newsletter. Andy Daubenspeck and Warren Clark would essentially manage the website for the Granite Region.
e) Andy and Warren asked the members to submit as many photos as possible to build the website archives. Also, events and interesting articles should be emailed to them. In taking an informal poll, it appeared that over 75% of attendees had access to the internet and email.
Mechanical Question
Recently, I dusted off the old tools and removed the heater core from my 67 Camaro. The mice had gotten in there and my wife refused to ride in the car until I removed the pungent odor they had left as a reminder of their visit. Well, the heater removal was a story in itself, but while I was doing this I found a heavy cylinder tucked up behind the headlight. There was one on each side and another pair in the rear corners. I had seen them there and figured I would finally figure out their purpose. Imagine my surprise when I found no wires, tubes or pipes going to them. The one I pulled out had a cap on it (which I did not remove) and when I shook it, I heard a sloshing sound. It was very solidly constructed and heavily bolted to the frame.
Can anyone tell me what are these things? My theory is that they provide mass to dampen vibrations and oscillations that might otherwise rattle teeth or maybe change the vibration frequency, but I would like to know. Can anyone offer a suggestion? If you have any ideas, send me an email at GraniteEditor@sagecliff.com
Anyone else have any questions they would like to pose to the club? Put the question into an email (or US Mail it to me) and I will pose it in the next newsletter. Warren Clark, 10 Winsor Way, Weston, MA 02493 GraniteNewsletter@sagecliff.com